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Old 02-22-2021, 04:52 PM   #64861
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/21/polit...ntv/index.html
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Federal emergency funds meant to help Texans recover from a deep freeze will also be used to help some residents pay exorbitantly high energy bills they were charged as a result of the recent snow storm, a Republican congressman from the state said Sunday.
using federal funds to pay for people's electricity bills? that's just the free market, baby!

ask them to cover medical bills? that's socialism, you commie pig!
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Old 02-22-2021, 05:24 PM   #64862
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-2024-nominee
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Donald Trump will reportedly tell the Conservative Political Action Conference in Florida this week he is Republicans’ “presumptive 2024 nominee” for president.

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Polling of Republicans who have not left the party, however, shows the former president with a clear lead over a range of potential 2024 candidates, supportive of him or not, in a notional primary.
It's cool, though. He was impeached twice! Totally changes everything.
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Old 02-22-2021, 05:44 PM   #64863
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they should have forced that impeachment vote on the week of Jan 6
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Old 02-23-2021, 02:25 PM   #64864
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Ted Cruz buying his own book with political contributions would really cap off a phenomenal February for the guy.
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:23 PM   #64865
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you don't say!

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Old 02-23-2021, 09:51 PM   #64866
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Heard Highways are getting canceled
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Old 02-24-2021, 03:43 PM   #64867
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I have a WSJ subscription because I like their news side, even if the opinion section is absolute hot garbage and insane right-wing shit. That said, I enjoy trolling in the comments on articles; it's always some white guy saying either Milton Friedman dumb shit or whatever was on Fox News.

With the current minimum wage debate coverage, I have been just saying if an employer can't figure out how to pay the $15/hour wage floor, then they should release their capital and let their labor go to employers that can. They are not fans of that stance! Anyway, feel free to make that argument with any right-wingers you encounter.
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Old 02-24-2021, 06:36 PM   #64868
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I have a WSJ subscription because I like their news side, even if the opinion section is absolute hot garbage and insane right-wing shit. That said, I enjoy trolling in the comments on articles; it's always some white guy saying either Milton Friedman dumb shit or whatever was on Fox News.

With the current minimum wage debate coverage, I have been just saying if an employer can't figure out how to pay the $15/hour wage floor, then they should release their capital and let their labor go to employers that can. They are not fans of that stance! Anyway, feel free to make that argument with any right-wingers you encounter.
you're certainly not wrong. but (a lot of) employers (especially big ones) will demand $15/hour value out of work - not "minimum wage" value.

the sticker shock isn't going to come to consumers with "oh my god, hamburgers are $30 now." its going to come with workers realizing "oh, this is actually a grown up job now."

ex: some of my employees have left to go work at an amazon warehouse. pay is the same as what they were making here, but amazon obviously has more paths for advancement than what we can provide as a small biz. those former employees usually last for less than a month at amazon (although some have done well and advanced!).

small independent restaurants is one sector that is especially fascinating, because the margins are already teeny-tiny and worker exploitation is basically the only reason any of us can afford to go to a bar or restaurant. again, you aren't wrong, but we are probably going to see massive corporations and franchises swallow up anything small or independent.

as always, there are trade-offs to everything.
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:39 PM   #64869
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I'm not sure raising minimum wage is the right solution to any of the problems it will purportedly fix. Seems like symptom treatment (similar to college debt forgiveness, honestly).

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Neither address the structural problems causing economic inequality because those larger machinations are probably untouchable sans revolution. Treating symptoms is still good.
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:59 PM   #64873
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Student loan forgiveness seems like you're putting a bandaid on a bigger problem. The minimum wage argument seems pretty cut and dried to me.
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small independent restaurants is one sector that is especially fascinating, because the margins are already teeny-tiny and worker exploitation is basically the only reason any of us can afford to go to a bar or restaurant. again, you aren't wrong, but we are probably going to see massive corporations and franchises swallow up anything small or independent.
there are plenty of independently-owned businesses that operate just fine paying their customers $15/hour in a number of cities where it's required.

I know what you mean by there being tradeoffs, but I would rather people are paid more per hour than some jerkoff who owns a few YUM! brand franchises has to take less money and pay their people more, or watch their business fail. I don't feel bad for them.

That said, looking at this list of largest employers by state, I am sure that our largest employers can handle the cost.

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the sticker shock isn't going to come to consumers with "oh my god, hamburgers are $30 now." its going to come with workers realizing "oh, this is actually a grown up job now."
to quote Dr King: "no labor is really menial unless you’re not getting adequate wages"

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Old 02-24-2021, 08:29 PM   #64875
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Neither address the structural problems causing economic inequality because those larger machinations are probably untouchable sans revolution. Treating symptoms is still good.
Eh, I dunno. It all feels like giving grandpa anti-nausea pills and pretending like you did something valuable, while refusing to even try to have a conversation about his stage four colon cancer.

Then again, it's not like Congress has done anything of actual value yet, so it's more like holding the nausea pills just out of Grandpa's reach, while hundreds of Trump judges get their 'No' stamps ready and inked, just in case.
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This was his car. He claims he hit a deer and just drove home, and didn't report it until the next day after he "looked" for the deer the night before but couldn't find it. Who in their right mind just drives home after that unless you are so fucked up you have no idea what you're doing and want to sober up first?

Also hilarious that the entire state, including his own party, want him to resign or they will impeach him, but he refuses. Like no one is on his side.

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Old 02-24-2021, 09:04 PM   #64877
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there are plenty of independently-owned businesses that operate just fine paying their customers $15/hour in a number of cities where it's required.
i'm well aware, i am one of them!

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I know what you mean by there being tradeoffs, but I would rather people are paid more per hour than some jerkoff who owns a few YUM! brand franchises has to take less money and pay their people more, or watch their business fail. I don't feel bad for them.
the people/persons your apathy/antipathy should be aimed at is the franchisors, not the franchisees.

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That said, looking at this list of largest employers by state, I am sure that our largest employers can handle the cost.
they can and will. that's why i'm saying they will be the ones that will eventually absorb everyone else who can't. again, tradeoffs.

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to quote Dr King: "no labor is really menial unless you’re not getting adequate wages"
i agree, but then you still have people think like this:


i get *why* they're mad, when this is their understanding/interpretation of business and economy.

i know i'm strawmanning a bit by presenting one idiot's tweets (especially bc i'm not a min. wage raise), but this is a pretty common line of thinking amongst rose twitter DSA stans and "lAbOr ThEoRy oF vAlUe" screechers.
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Eh, I dunno. It all feels like giving grandpa anti-nausea pills and pretending like you did something valuable, while refusing to even try to have a conversation about his stage four colon cancer.

Then again, it's not like Congress has done anything of actual value yet, so it's more like holding the nausea pills just out of Grandpa's reach, while hundreds of Trump judges get their 'No' stamps ready and inked, just in case.
This is incredibly minimizing of the impacts that money will have on people who do not have very much money.
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the people/persons your apathy/antipathy should be aimed at is the franchisors, not the franchisees.
from what I understand, when the franchising company is not considered a joint employer, the responsibility to pay employees a minimum wage and overtime will fall solely on the franchisee

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but this is a pretty common line of thinking amongst rose twitter DSA stans and "lAbOr ThEoRy oF vAlUe" screechers.
yeah, but twitter is not real life
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Old 02-24-2021, 09:45 PM   #64880
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from what I understand, when the franchising company is not considered a joint employer, the responsibility to pay employees a minimum wage and overtime will fall solely on the franchisee
the liability is and will continue to be tenuous and will continue to be updated by the result of any number of court cases currently ongoing. when the franchisor wants to get really involved in dictating operations, it can really muddied on whether the franchisor is the owner and the franchisee is.

plus, it's all kind of up in the air right now in california because of AB-5 (new independent contractor classification law).

ex: McDonald's Wage Theft Settlement (this franchisee is also a PoS)

i am not saying that franchisees or small biz owners are some benevolent merchant class, as there is no shortage of extremely shitty franchisees/small business owners who exploit their workers. but there are also a lot of good, honest ones who are/will get squeezed from *both* ends. you have to remember, an *extremely* healthy business only profits about 1.5-2% of it's actual revenue. a well-run million dollar business is profiting at minimum wage levels.

the franchisors will continue making new agreements/contracts that skew more and more in their favor at the expense of the franchisee. and once labor costs exceed what smaller/single-location franchisees can pay, they will be bought out by multiple-location franchisees or turned into corporate stores. neither one of those groups want high labor costs either, hence the rallying cry to invest in automation. the R&D for that automation will be done by the franchisor (they have corporate-run locations too!) and the money to fund that R&D is going to come from the profits extracted from the franchisee. if you work in any of these industries, you can clearly see this is the train we're on. please believe me, there are automated "test" locations already operating.

i always find it amusing that franchisees have their own organizations to fight franchisors. the entire thing operates like a toothless union. god has a sense of humor.

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always a fair and good point!
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