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OSUGiants · 01-25-2023, 06:41 PM

Rice is a monster on the outside. The way he attacks the ball, and defenders, is seriously impressive. He reminds me a lot of AJB. Plus he reportedly ran a sub 4.4 forty at SMU. JSN is more of a big bodied slot guy who gets by on route running and savy.

JSN feels pro ready whereas Rice has a limited route tree but you can argue that’s more his system than him. Both guys feel like they have the potential to be a QBs best friend whereas Zay feels more like a guy who you scheme plays for.

BaLLiN · 01-25-2023, 06:54 PM

OSU I was going to say something similar tbh with AJB but I felt that there was some bias with level of competition--I don't think he's that tier of athlete though. I am weary because he isn't separating against inferior competition.

Honestly, with the track record of OSU WR's I'm ready to say fuck it and blindly pick the next one lol. I see JSN as an Keenan Allen type player, but the lack of film creates a ton of ambiguity in his eval. Allen had some injury concerns funny enough predraft and went in the third. I think JSN has a pretty wide range of outcomes between middle of first to middle of 2nd.

OSUGiants · 01-25-2023, 08:30 PM

If JSN falls to mid-2nd I’d gladly trade up for him. Getting a CB like Witherspoon end of round 1 then trading up for JSN would be a dream. Like you said, Hartline has done wonders for that WR room and they all produce at the next level.

I think Rice might surprise some people with his testing at the combine. Like I said, the way he attacks the ball is crazy and he reportedly ran a sub 4.4. Even on tape he shows some crazy burst for breakaway plays. I think his separation, or lack there of, might be more of a route running issue than a speed issue, which thankfully can be coached up way more than speed can. He might not be at the same level athletically as AJB but I still think it’s a fair comp in the way that they both play bigger than they really are and attack the ball/defenders.

Mel Pipeher · 01-27-2023, 12:37 AM

Unrestricted Free Agents:

RB Saquon Barkley
RB Matt Breida
ILB Landon Collins
ILB Jarrad Davis
DL Justin Ellis
C Jon Feliciano
OL Nick Gates
P Jamie Gillan
WR Richie James
S Tony Jefferson
WR Marcus Johnson
QB Daniel Jones
LS Casey Kreiter
S Julian Love
CB Fabian Moreau
WR Sterling Shepard
WR Darius Slayton
ILB Jaylon Smith
OLB Jihad Ward
DL Nick Williams
OLB Oshane Ximines

Who are you keeping?

BaLLiN · 01-27-2023, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mel Pipeher

Unrestricted Free Agents:

RB Saquon Barkley --> Tag
RB Matt Breida --> Walk
ILB Landon Collins --> PS/Vet min
ILB Jarrad Davis --> Walk
DL Justin Ellis --> Walk
C Jon Feliciano --> Walk
OL Nick Gates --> Sign 2 yr
P Jamie Gillan --> Kick out
WR Richie James --> Sign 2 Yr
S Tony Jefferson --> Walk
WR Marcus Johnson --> Walk
QB Daniel Jones --> Sign 3-4 yr
LS Casey Kreiter --> Sign 1-2 yr
S Julian Love --> Walk
CB Fabian Moreau --> Sign 1 yr
WR Sterling Shepard --> Sign 1 yr
WR Darius Slayton --> Walk
ILB Jaylon Smith --> Sign
OLB Jihad Ward --> Sign
DL Nick Williams --> Walk
OLB Oshane Ximines --> Walk

Who are you keeping?

And cut Golladay

scottyboy · 01-27-2023, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mel Pipeher

Unrestricted Free Agents:

RB Saquon Barkley -> Unsure. Tag might be the best option
RB Matt Breida -> Keep
ILB Landon Collins -> Walk
ILB Jarrad Davis -> Walk
DL Justin Ellis -> Walk
C Jon Feliciano -> Walk
OL Nick Gates -> Keep
P Jamie Gillan -> Walk; draft Adam Korsak
WR Richie James -> Walk
S Tony Jefferson -> Walk
WR Marcus Johnson -> Walk
QB Daniel Jones -> Depends on price obvi
LS Casey Kreiter -> Keep
S Julian Love -> Keep
CB Fabian Moreau -> Keep
WR Sterling Shepard -> Hire as a coach
WR Darius Slayton -> Depends on price.
ILB Jaylon Smith -> Walk
OLB Jihad Ward -> Keep 1-2 year deal
DL Nick Williams -> Walk
OLB Oshane Ximines -> Keep

Who are you keeping?

Some guys I like, but the IOL and WR room need overhauls and keeping some of those guys would keep it staus quo IMO

Mel Pipeher · 01-27-2023, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaLLiN

And cut Golladay

I think that's definite.

Mel Pipeher · 01-27-2023, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyboy

Some guys I like, but the IOL and WR room need overhauls and keeping some of those guys would keep it staus quo IMO

I feel that. Feliciano and Gates could have roles but only as backups on a good line. And getting this unit from meh to good should still be the priority. They helped with the transition of the new staff but I think we let them walk unless they are willing to sign for vet min 1-year deals after free agency and the draft plays out.

RB Saquon Barkley - TAG
RB Matt Breida - Keep
ILB Landon Collins - Walk
ILB Jarrad Davis - Keep
DL Justin Ellis - WALK
C Jon Feliciano - Walk for now
OL Nick Gates - Walk for now
P Jamie Gillan - Walk
WR Richie James - Walk for now
S Tony Jefferson - Walk
WR Marcus Johnson - Walk
QB Daniel Jones - Keep
LS Casey Kreiter - Keep
S Julian Love - Depends on price but Keep
CB Fabian Moreau - Keep
WR Sterling Shepard - Retire/coach?
WR Darius Slayton - Walk
ILB Jaylon Smith - SEE YA YOU TURTLE
OLB Jihad Ward - Keep
DL Nick Williams - Walk
OLB Oshane Ximines - Walk

Mel Pipeher · 01-27-2023, 04:28 PM

Digging into the draft prospects here and just let me say this, the Tight End class is absolutely loaded.

BaLLiN · 02-03-2023, 03:21 AM

People are overreacting to Rice, he's still a day two guy but what hes getting killed on is the ability to separate. That has been there plainly on film. The first round talk was aspirational if he came out here and ran fast, measured tall. Think what is big about his game is strength, ball skills, body control and is a guy that even if he is covered, he isn't. I am not sure that fits with Jones though who just isn't going to throw a ton of contested balls.

Watching the few interior OL at the senior bowl, came away impressed with a few of these interior OL. I would not mind spending more attention to the lines early. Few DBs I am interested in, but their play might have been elevated due to poor QB/WR personnel tbh.

Mel Pipeher · 02-03-2023, 04:44 PM

Pick 3 realistic options you'd like to have

scottyboy · 02-03-2023, 05:45 PM

I wanna keep Love, but would take Harmon with him or as a replacement.

Wouldn't hate Cameron Sutton (Dean seems unlikely as a CB signing).
Rock Ya-Sin wouldn't be another bad option there, too

Tremaine Edmunds would be SO fun

Forenci · 02-03-2023, 10:04 PM

I'll take Lamar Jackson, thanks.

Damix · 02-03-2023, 10:06 PM

I wouldn’t mind a splurge on a corner, or even bringing in Peters for two years to be the #2

BaLLiN · 02-04-2023, 12:33 AM

Personnel on defense is going to be fairly dependent upon if we retain Wink IMO. I know we have made some investments in corner and DB in the draft, it certainly seems like there are a bunch in this draft to be interested in and we only have two DBs on contract in 2025.

Defensive personnel would seem to be fairly dependent upon Wink staying or leaving IMO. There are 5 DBs currently signed to the roster in 2024: Cordale Flott, Aaron Robinson, Dane Belton, Jason Pinnock, Rodarius Williams. Usually 1/4 to 1/3rd of a roster turns over from year to year and I'd expect that or more turnover in the next 2 years with Schoen relying upon cheap vets on short contracts currently. I would really want 2 DBs in this draft, but even moreso if Wink is still here with how much he relies upon them.

Mel Pipeher · 02-04-2023, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyboy

I wanna keep Love, but would take Harmon with him or as a replacement.

Wouldn't hate Cameron Sutton (Dean seems unlikely as a CB signing).
Rock Ya-Sin wouldn't be another bad option there, too

Tremaine Edmunds would be SO fun

Edmunds with Wink phew that could be nice.

Mel Pipeher · 02-04-2023, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forenci

I'll take Lamar Jackson, thanks.

You failed this exercise

Mel Pipeher · 02-04-2023, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damix

I wouldn’t mind a splurge on a corner, or even bringing in Peters for two years to be the #2

I was eyeing Peters as well. Never liked his personality but seamless fit for an immediate upgrade until we develop some of these young guys like Flott, Holmes, draft pick, etc.

Forenci · 02-04-2023, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mel Pipeher

You failed this exercise

I think succeeded.

Mel Pipeher · 02-04-2023, 10:02 PM

CB Marcus Peters - Two years, $14 million ($7M per year)
C Ethan Pocic Three years, $21 million ($7M per year)
DL Matt Ioannidis - Two years, $13 million ($6.5M per year)

I went the cheaper route. I really don't like spending big in free agency but I'm cool with mid-tier vets for the pressing needs.

Peters plugs right in as the starter opposite Adoree (who I think we extend to free up some cap dollars).

Pocic is an immediate upgrade at center that fits multiple blocking schemes. A smart player who can help make the correct reads. He's also position versatile, he's played all 5 positions on the line.

Ioannidis fits right in as the 5 tech next to Dex and Leo. He helps beef up the DL against the run and gets pressure.

01-25-2023, 06:41 PM	#12141
OSUGiants Super Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: looting damix’s house Posts: 9,498	Rice is a monster on the outside. The way he attacks the ball, and defenders, is seriously impressive. He reminds me a lot of AJB. Plus he reportedly ran a sub 4.4 forty at SMU. JSN is more of a big bodied slot guy who gets by on route running and savy. JSN feels pro ready whereas Rice has a limited route tree but you can argue that’s more his system than him. Both guys feel like they have the potential to be a QBs best friend whereas Zay feels more like a guy who you scheme plays for. __________________

01-25-2023, 06:54 PM	#12142
BaLLiN Super Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,558	OSU I was going to say something similar tbh with AJB but I felt that there was some bias with level of competition--I don't think he's that tier of athlete though. I am weary because he isn't separating against inferior competition. Honestly, with the track record of OSU WR's I'm ready to say fuck it and blindly pick the next one lol. I see JSN as an Keenan Allen type player, but the lack of film creates a ton of ambiguity in his eval. Allen had some injury concerns funny enough predraft and went in the third. I think JSN has a pretty wide range of outcomes between middle of first to middle of 2nd. Last edited by BaLLiN; 01-25-2023 at 06:57 PM.

01-25-2023, 08:30 PM	#12143
OSUGiants Super Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: looting damix’s house Posts: 9,498	If JSN falls to mid-2nd I’d gladly trade up for him. Getting a CB like Witherspoon end of round 1 then trading up for JSN would be a dream. Like you said, Hartline has done wonders for that WR room and they all produce at the next level. I think Rice might surprise some people with his testing at the combine. Like I said, the way he attacks the ball is crazy and he reportedly ran a sub 4.4. Even on tape he shows some crazy burst for breakaway plays. I think his separation, or lack there of, might be more of a route running issue than a speed issue, which thankfully can be coached up way more than speed can. He might not be at the same level athletically as AJB but I still think it’s a fair comp in the way that they both play bigger than they really are and attack the ball/defenders. __________________

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01-27-2023, 12:37 AM	#12144
Mel Pipeher Super Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,945	Unrestricted Free Agents: RB Saquon Barkley RB Matt Breida ILB Landon Collins ILB Jarrad Davis DL Justin Ellis C Jon Feliciano OL Nick Gates P Jamie Gillan WR Richie James S Tony Jefferson WR Marcus Johnson QB Daniel Jones LS Casey Kreiter S Julian Love CB Fabian Moreau WR Sterling Shepard WR Darius Slayton ILB Jaylon Smith OLB Jihad Ward DL Nick Williams OLB Oshane Ximines Who are you keeping?

01-27-2023, 04:28 PM	#12149
Mel Pipeher Super Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,945	Digging into the draft prospects here and just let me say this, the Tight End class is absolutely loaded.

02-03-2023, 03:21 AM	#12150
BaLLiN Super Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,558	People are overreacting to Rice, he's still a day two guy but what hes getting killed on is the ability to separate. That has been there plainly on film. The first round talk was aspirational if he came out here and ran fast, measured tall. Think what is big about his game is strength, ball skills, body control and is a guy that even if he is covered, he isn't. I am not sure that fits with Jones though who just isn't going to throw a ton of contested balls. Watching the few interior OL at the senior bowl, came away impressed with a few of these interior OL. I would not mind spending more attention to the lines early. Few DBs I am interested in, but their play might have been elevated due to poor QB/WR personnel tbh.

02-03-2023, 04:44 PM	#12151
Mel Pipeher Super Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,945	Pick 3 realistic options you'd like to have

02-03-2023, 05:45 PM	#12152
scottyboy LeBron James is a bitch Join Date: May 2015 Location: Stalking Brian Leonard Posts: 10,035	I wanna keep Love, but would take Harmon with him or as a replacement. Wouldn't hate Cameron Sutton (Dean seems unlikely as a CB signing). Rock Ya-Sin wouldn't be another bad option there, too Tremaine Edmunds would be SO fun

02-03-2023, 10:04 PM	#12153
Forenci Super Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 5,120	I'll take Lamar Jackson, thanks.

02-03-2023, 10:06 PM	#12154
Damix Dictator Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 7,050	I wouldn’t mind a splurge on a corner, or even bringing in Peters for two years to be the #2

02-04-2023, 12:33 AM	#12155
BaLLiN Super Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,558	Personnel on defense is going to be fairly dependent upon if we retain Wink IMO. I know we have made some investments in corner and DB in the draft, it certainly seems like there are a bunch in this draft to be interested in and we only have two DBs on contract in 2025. Defensive personnel would seem to be fairly dependent upon Wink staying or leaving IMO. There are 5 DBs currently signed to the roster in 2024: Cordale Flott, Aaron Robinson, Dane Belton, Jason Pinnock, Rodarius Williams. Usually 1/4 to 1/3rd of a roster turns over from year to year and I'd expect that or more turnover in the next 2 years with Schoen relying upon cheap vets on short contracts currently. I would really want 2 DBs in this draft, but even moreso if Wink is still here with how much he relies upon them.

02-04-2023, 10:02 PM	#12160
Mel Pipeher Super Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,945	CB Marcus Peters - Two years, $14 million ($7M per year) C Ethan Pocic Three years, $21 million ($7M per year) DL Matt Ioannidis - Two years, $13 million ($6.5M per year) I went the cheaper route. I really don't like spending big in free agency but I'm cool with mid-tier vets for the pressing needs. Peters plugs right in as the starter opposite Adoree (who I think we extend to free up some cap dollars). Pocic is an immediate upgrade at center that fits multiple blocking schemes. A smart player who can help make the correct reads. He's also position versatile, he's played all 5 positions on the line. Ioannidis fits right in as the 5 tech next to Dex and Leo. He helps beef up the DL against the run and gets pressure.